The old Giga Society guest book 2001-2004 - Later entries

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04/01/04 - 01:37:03 GMT

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two hundered and eighty six point 2.

06/22/03 - 00:05:26 GMT

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TO WHOM IT CONCERNS , SIMPLICITY BAFFLES INTELLIGENT MEN,DID THE ACAMDEMIC MIND LEAVE GOD BEHIND, & FINALLY AN HONEST MIND FEARS NO MIND ,& WHO NEEDS AN IQ TEST WHEN YOUR BETTER THAN THE REST

11/23/02 - 04:21:25 GMT

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Great read. I'm sure IQ is learned. Marilyn's Goat helped me as much as Zhuge Liang (much). But it is a fact that one can't test an IQ greater than your own. Nor can a test.

11/07/02 - 03:38:55 GMT

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I`m only 13 you see and i have an I.Q. of 137 which if im not sure is high for 13. I`m not sayin i could be exepted into this prestegious organization but I would like to you,understand.

10/27/02 - 22:00:39 GMT

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Don't you think that unsupervised test measure persistence rather than intelligence?A working man with a family maybe has no time or interest to work on your test for a month or even more, he has other things to do in is little free time.Am I wrong?

10/26/02 - 17:34:23 GMT

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I was wondering if anyone had ever heard of someone named Glenn Girard im trying to find out what hes all about but im having trouble. If anyone can help me I would appreciate it. Email me at Sighted18@yahoo.com Thanx

10/26/02 - 00:31:54 GMT

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I was wondering if you are aware of a recent study about gifted children. In this report it states "As of January, 2002, we have found 678 children with IQ scores above 160, 157 above 180 IQ, and 33 above 200." If you state that the odds of having an IQ of 196 are one in a billion, then what is you response to the 33 children that have a reported IQ that is is over 200? I have included a hyperlink to the web page. The address and contact information is also available. A final note, this is not an attempt to mock you intelligence or belittle it in any way. You have my full respect as an intelligent person- your IQ is exactly 50 points above mine. thanks so much, sam. http://www.hoagiesgifted.org/we_have_learned.htmv

10/20/02 - 05:01:47 GMT

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getting wrong on all the questions iq test is a work of a genius

10/10/02 - 18:27:17 GMT

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Good to see that a Dutchman has such a high I.Q. My parents are from the Netherlands and are bright. It must be a Dutch trait. Any advice for studying for the Mensa exam? Tot ziens! Rudy van Daalen Wetters

09/25/02 - 00:41:26 GMT

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So if I answer all those questions is there parties I can come too and is there chicks to pick up?

09/24/02 - 10:43:51 GMT

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LOL! I cracked up when I read this: We are the world's most exclusive high IQ society. An IQ of 196 or higher (reached by one in a billion people) is required to join. Oh man, you must not have a lot of members!

09/24/02 - 09:27:17 GMT

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This society has got to be one of the most shit societies in the world! First of all if it is limited to 1 in 1 billion people there can be only a max of 7 or 8 people in the society. And considering the fact that over half the worlds population live in extreme poverty and have probably never heard of this shit society, means it is exclusionist aswell. Not much point in being exclusionist when you have so few members is there? Also the explanation behind the 9 symbol on the homepage is the stuff of nerds! Die nerds, die!

09/21/02 - 19:06:17 GMT

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I'm not sure if its a good thing that we humans seem to have this strange instinct, this need to belong to a tribe. Mensa, football fans fighting each other, people wearing leather if they like rock music, are primitive insticts that just divide us. This is why I believe man landed on the moon in 1969 not 969. But since I am human, what they heck.
Do you believe you can improve you I.Q.? For instance a good speller might see long words in easy to remember chunks, a poor speller would try to just remember the word in its whole form.
Someone with a good memory might use vivid pictures with emotion to remember objects, wheres as a person with a bad memory would just use the left sign of his brain.
How do you guys approach math questions and other common I.Q. methods? What mental sub- modalities do you use? I believe genetics has a lesser role in a persons ability to do an I.Q. test than asumed by many. However I don't deny the great gifts that you guys possess. I hope you continue to bless the world and youselfs with them. Wadda you think?

09/11/02 - 03:33:45 GMT

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Just wanted to let you know that I'd love to be able to communicate with anybody that smart.

09/06/02 - 18:33:59 GMT

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You certainly get a lot of profane creeps to sign your guestbook! (btw, your site was linked to the Portal of Evil site --that's probably why) --Anyway, I thought your site was amusing and enjoyed your cracks at 'high IQ' societies such as Mensa.

09/05/02 - 13:34:29 GMT

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If somebody steals one of your personal items, what are you legally allowed to do about it? Is the only you can do is to call the cops? - for geniuses

09/02/02 - 07:55:04 GMT

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i would be only too happy to compete against any of the three nitwits which represent this so called 1/10^9 uber intelligence club-what happened prior to the big bang? Do not fret I will let you bozos in on the secret in due time-hint 18by is spit in the ocean in an infinite area devoid of measurable time (bill gates' personal wealth is a greater value) so tell me smartass-does time exist? of course it does not, you are wrong again! Go listen to yanni, play with your nintendo, go watch or read sci-fi, like good little nerds.

08/19/02 - 13:05:05 GMT

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Well, I just droped by here coz I wanted to take an IQ Test. I don't think I'm "smart", but I just wanna know my exact IQ. But there's a problem I think. All the questions are written in English or German. I can't make my thoughts understood well so i don't think i'll make sense if I send you my answers in English. How do you think? I'll be really glad if you send me e-mail about this kinda problem. Thanx.

08/15/02 - 03:41:48 GMT

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Well aren't you lot a clever bunch? yes admittedly i'm totally lost with all this crap, but it's interesting to see nonetheless. it seems that high intelligence doesn't guarantee aesthetic skills tho - what an ugly site! Update it?

08/12/02 - 06:53:41 GMT

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Greetings. Need help with a theory of 'low temperature fusion'. I am working on getting it up on my web page, under the 'qm' link. Once I have it all there, I would really welcome reviews and comments...

08/11/02 - 12:17:19 GMT

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You fags better be good, because I'm 90% sure you'll burn in hell

08/07/02 - 18:43:54 GMT

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and the turtle said to the puma: you may walk faster but i walk more intense.

08/06/02 - 23:48:29 GMT

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I just found your Web page today. Glad to see people getting together for any reason. I just have a couple of questions. Why is it that the space program only uses highly intelligent people with no practical skills? How can you have a society Web page dedicated to the highly intelligent that shows no creativity?

08/04/02 - 23:29:31 GMT

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"If absolute truth does not exist, the sentence "absolute truth does not exist" is not absolutely true either. "
I don't quite get this, proving that the sentence isn't true only tells us that the sentence "absolute truth does exist" is true, but it is only a sentence does it really mean that "absolute truth" exist? Of course I am wrong but i write this anyway. gjfhguhfdhg

08/04/02 - 00:11:43 GMT

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Hi Paul ! I have a question for you: you are constructing IQ tests with a ceiling > or = 207 ,in order to do so, i guess you must have an IQ of 207 or more. Wouldn't this mean that you are Thoth? that you are Th

08/03/02 - 00:58:32 GMT

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Howdy y'all I'm very emprissed wid y'all smartness, but can ya'all tie ya'll feakin shoe laces? My mommy married her brother, does that make me smart?

08/02/02 - 22:42:23 GMT

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IQ testing should be obsolete, it measures only one type of intelligence while overlooking many others .

08/01/02 - 20:38:52 GMT

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I respect each and every one of you in this "group" i am a member of mensa and could only seem inferior to somone with the aptitude as you. -scott-

07/31/02 - 23:13:43 GMT

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Hi! I wonder if people are getting offended or agressive because you people are having such High IQ:s, because they are jealous or because that they feel worthless or something? or somethi

07/30/02 - 05:29:08 GMT

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Hi! Visited your site out of curiosity... just wanted to ask you people's opinion of what success is... and when would you consider yourselves successful. Also, do you have any measure of members' EQs (Emotional Quotient)? Thx..

07/26/02 - 23:09:55 GMT

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Interesting website; raw. Would be nice to see a little more information...or more people.

07/26/02 - 22:37:43 GMT

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To Paul Cooijmans: Hi ! I read FAQ at the Glia society homepage and you talked about this person Thoth that would come early third millenium. And you also said that you were in contact with Thoth and that he did send you t-mails from the future. I wonder is this a practical joke? And why did he chose to contact you and not the President of the united states for example? I also wonder if Christopher Langan has tried to qualify for the Giga Society ? I have read somewhere that he has the highest recorded IQ in the world. It would be nice with some answers to these question? to the

07/18/02 - 03:27:57 GMT

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Hey!! I'm Jon. I come from Pennsylvania in the US. I have an unofficial IQ of 159. I got it from one of those online tests. I'm not so sure about those : ) I was kind of curious how much of your time you spend involved with activities that involve thinking. Like Chess, Go, Physics , or just whatever. And how doing other things. By the way, I'm very impressed by your abilities as people and some of the views I've seen in your info. Later -Jon Rambo

07/17/02 - 21:54:46 GMT

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Does anybody know if artificiell intelligence is achievable in the near future? And I am talking about the same sort of intelligence as we humans posess, a computer that one can talk to and discuss a mathematical proof with. I have heard experts in the field of computer sience saying that it can be proven by mathematics that it can't be done. Maybe this is a problem that can be solved by Thoth, I think this is a more interesting problem than time travel and I also think that it would serve humanity well also. If one should give a computer a brain wouldn't the first step be to make the computer understand the concept of the three dimensional room and the next step be to make the computer understand that it is inside of that room? So that the "I" of the computer is inside the room? I can't see why this should be such an impossible task? should be suc

07/16/02 - 16:18:14 GMT

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To Scott Durgin: I really liked your explanation of why we should solve puzzles. You said that women are puzzles and I agree but I found that puzzle very hard to crack, could you give me an helping hand on that topics? It would be cool if you could give me some universal method or someting that always worked? I know the question seems ridiculous but it would be interesting? Anyone else of you smart guys can of course answer to. a

07/14/02 - 22:48:57 GMT

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I like this site very much because it has a guestbook that is open to everybody not just an internal forum for members of the society. I guess it takes an IQ of 196 to cope with that. to cope with

07/14/02 - 22:39:03 GMT

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It seems to be something wrong with this guestbook because the last of my sentences doesn't sho

07/14/02 - 16:23:39 GMT

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I would appreciate some feedback on my comments. By the way, what exact IQ:s do you people have, are you all having 196 or what? Are you sure that you would get the same IQ if you tried for example the Titan test? the Titan

07/13/02 - 23:14:34 GMT

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To Paul Cooijmans: Is this person Toth just a joke or have you actually met a person from the future which you refer to as Toth. Wouldn't that be headlines news? Why don't you go out with this information? And why don't you write out the date when the earth is going to be hit by a meteorite? by a mete

07/13/02 - 22:50:54 GMT

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I found this on the Glia-site: "In today's competitive world we need all the credentials we can get. A score report from a Cooijmans test is a widely accepted standard of excellence and will open many a door that would otherwise remain shut forever. All it takes is a little bit of test-smartness to get yourself a good high IQ on one or more of my tests. Let's face it, anyone of above-average intelligence who puts in enough effort, uses the right reference aids, and studies a number of high-range tests to get an idea of the type of problems can score any IQ he likes. Don't be intimidated too easily!" I wonder is this a joke? or can a person get any IQ he wants on your tests or is it impossible to exceed over ones intelligence?

07/13/02 - 19:32:19 GMT

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This question is for Paul Cooijmans: I read FAQ at the Glia-site and for the first time I heard of this so called Toth person and that he would show up on early third millenium, iguess that would be around year 3000 but you also said that he could be one of us. But no one who lives today will survive long enough to be this person Toth. Isn't that a contra

07/13/02 - 14:51:20 GMT

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Hi everybody! I have read that Marilyn vos Savant has an IQ of 230 the highest in the world but i have also read that the highest ever recorded IQ is around 195, so what is the truth? Could any one of you smart guys tell me the truth of the ma

07/11/02 - 05:33:10 GMT

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Robert wrote: "Hey fellow smart guys(and I mean it!) Im a 13 year old with an interest in quantum mechanics, quantum physics, astrophysics, and stuff on the brain and outer space aliens. I have a 177 IQ and want to join a high IQ society(this is the only one I know that I cant get into) People that irrate me the most: Flat earthers Geocentrists creationists Ignorant people Stupid people that get straight A's I like roleplaying computer games. I want to *somehow* Become fit to join this society."
Who in the hell thinks quantum mechanics are interesting? I mean did you just look up the most intelligent sounding field of study you could find? Maybe it's just me, but I think there is much more to life than studying how electrons jump energy levels. And at 13 I'd be interested to find where you learn such things. But you are probably at MIT doing some post-grad work with quasars, right?Please correct me if I'm wrong.

07/07/02 - 02:42:41 GMT

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Do you believe that with brain add-ons, all humans will have equal IQ in the future? Do you agree with Kurzweil that in 100 years humans will be immortal?

07/01/02 - 07:37:22 GMT

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I find it extremely hard to believe that all three of you are male from a white/Caucasian background with a language background of English/German when the majority of the world's population are women, from Asia or America. Granted intelligence maybe a genetic trait, but such a concentrated gathering of intellence within one genetic group is nigh impossible.

06/30/02 - 11:52:36 GMT

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I have an approximate IQ of 160, however, I find that I am of no disadvantage. I have excelled in school (in Great Britain). I do not believe that IQ is a major deciding factor in how imaginative one can be, or how perceptive one can be. I have great respect for those with IQs of 196+, but it makes me feel like an under-achiever. If the IQ level to join Giga society was scaled down to the average IQ of 100 (eg), then I would have an IQ of 64 (comparitive. That would mean that I would almost qualify for a person of Learning Disabilities.

06/28/02 - 11:40:20 GMT

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How can a state of the art sports car race to win the first prize if everyone in the entire race track including the audience and, judges want him to lose? Is it my fault that I'm born with this talent? How can one progress when everyone I know and don't know are discriminating/cheating me from everything--disregarding, sabotaging my accomplishments etc.?

06/27/02 - 00:40:03 GMT

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Just a note on the site: If you want to keep it simple, please, DO keep it simple and clean looking. The background really isn't the best and the text color & font make it look messy. I'd recommend using a simple CSS based layout with a white background, and using Tahoma or Verdana (size 11px) for the content. It would be much nicer to read if it was cleaner. (One out of a billion? Too bad my IQ's only 156. :)

06/18/02 - 05:20:26 GMT

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A question for you geniouses,
Why is it that those who make a great difference in the world are not those with the greatest minds but those with the greates ideas? Meaning, why is it that it is more practical to be immersed in one quest for life (discoveries, inventions, peace making, or what have you) than to embark in the knowledge of all which at the end may not answer nothing. Read Ecclesians 1:13-18 (a nice little quote)

06/14/02 - 23:15:36 GMT

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well of course durgin is wrong, there are no concepts - including numbers - which are not human abstractions. nelson goodman's fact fiction and forecast demonstrates this. or actually, does his srgument apply to numbers? what do you think?
oh yeah where is chris langan??????????? and surely pascal leibniz goethe etc should be given posthumous memberships? and what of captian beefheart? oh dear oh dear i feel as if i should as well i mean none of you are brainy as me my iq be 363! i know i know it's great but wolf lets' pick on you after all you are in the society but are only a programmer sort yourself out man and do something e solve the aids problem or whatever as yr lives are not your own they are part of society what would rawls say ooh i dont know probably whatever is best for the working class as rawls is great and so is marx but not ayn rand ooh no she is badbadbabdabdbdbbabdbbsbdsbabd you get my drift i had huge boots once and i would walk round golfciourses dso you play golf and i would run and be chansed by woolvesrinbes and wolves and woolf and wolf ie writer and leibzintian philosopher i read ulysses and understood it i am so good yeah me really good anfd to that robert guy ie you are a precocious litt`le cock and you ,must fucjk off oh dear i fear i am smoking too much weed

06/12/02 - 00:11:55 GMT

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Robert, you are very bright; is that why your dad calls your "son"? haha...

06/08/02 - 04:05:42 GMT

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If IQ was just a novelty, then why do places around the world use IQ as an admission or ratings, and I mean official places that affect you and your life. And also, It has solid value, because mentally retarded people have IQs below 70 and *Geniuses* have 145+ or whatever.

06/08/02 - 02:01:06 GMT

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Hey fellow smart guys(and I mean it!) Im a 13 year old with an interest in quantum mechanics, quantum physics, astrophysics, and stuff on the brain and outer space aliens. I have a 177 IQ and want to join a high IQ society(this is the only one I know that I cant get into) People that irrate me the most:
Flat earthers
Geocentrists
creationists
Ignorant people
Stupid people that get straight A's
I like roleplaying computer games. I want to *somehow* Become fit to join this society.

05/31/02 - 09:19:08 GMT

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One in a billion, I can't fathom how cool you guys must think of yourselves. I am the owner of a scant 150 IQ, and find that, ironically, I could probably accomplish more if it were a bit lower. Do you ever feel that your IQ is really just a novelty, and not all that efficient in the practical realm?

05/30/02 - 23:53:06 GMT

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Fair enough, Durgin. I think we've both made some good points. A few points to ponder, however :-) Where do you draw the line between waves and shapes? Can not any shape be described by such brute force mathematics? The point I'm making is that 'mathematical' patterns in nature are always somewhere in between a "true" precise description comprised of ugly, unenlightening mathematics or a highly interpretive and subjective 'description' that has all the elegant symmetries and simplicities of the numberism you describe. At any rate, my original issue was with the statement that there are mathematical underpinnings to nearly everything. My point is that math is just a nice way of explaining the patterns we see in nature, be it elegant, universal and vague (pi, phi, e, etc) or precise and ugly (fourier, shrodinger, etc). In any case, it is a TRUISM that math is everywhere because it was created that way. On a fundamental level, math naturally has to describe reality or it's just a meaningless collection of scratchings with no isomorphic relation to anything. Anyhow, enough of that. May I suggest (since you seem at least much more keen that the average person to research the greater thing s in life) that you seek out and practice internal Chinese martial arts. In particular, the indoor lineage school of Chen Style Taijiquan contains an enormous amount of knowledge about the human body and mind. A scholarly approach and intelligent training with a high level teacher will open your intelligence to your body so that you can reach the same level of mastery of the body as of the mind. Very few people can accomplish both and it is a fabulous thing. Justin is off for now, but I must thank you for enlightened discussion. I find stirring the pot brings goodies to the surface at times :-) Cheers.

05/30/02 - 15:17:02 GMT

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Well, Justin, ok, thank you, so you were talking of FOURIER, now I understand. I thought you meant ANY SHAPE, not any WAVE FUNCTION. I have no quarrel with you regarding fourier integrals being used to characterize any WAVE function, (especially schrodinger's). I'm sure you know that a fourier series can be used to determine pi as well (1-1/3+1/5-1/7+1/9... = pi/4) but did you know that Leibniz discovered that 300 years ago using PURE GEOMETRIC PRINCIPLES? The mathematics I'm talking about is not a construct for solving a textbook or engineering problem, but a SYMBOL. Geometry and Gematria, dude. Schrodinger's wave functions are COMPUTATIONAL DEVICES. Relating a first time derivative to a second space derivative necessarily produces a complex function, so then “psi-star-psi” must be used in order to even give physical plausibility to the formulation. It works, though doesn't it (in a limited sense)? Maybe you use time independent conditions, though. The density of photons in an electromagnetic field is found in the same way, except there's no complex conjugate. There is also no probability and no indeterminacy.---------------------- to reiterate, I was not speaking of newtonian or laplacian or fourier mathematics or of WAVE functions or periodic functions at all. Phi (golden mean) is NOT a FUNCTION (unless you buy the idea that a single valued thing with no arguments is a function). Phi is a RELATIONSHIP; a RATIO (like pi except better) and is purely geometric. In fact, phi and ‘5 fold symmetry' are intimately related and the egyptians (the learned ones, anyway) were well aware of that. I commend you for being a scholar of ancient philosophical ideas but I don't think you have scratched the surface. There is NO ‘contrasting Taoist and egyptian thought' in this matter. As far as universal ideas being symbolized by numbers, their ideas are nearly IDENTICAL at the heart of it. Same with the ‘hindoos' and the chaldees. Same with the egyptians (some of whose ideas evolved from the sumerians) and the hebrews. Same with the hebrews and the greeks, not to mention the phoenicians. Even the celts for god's sake. On the surface this might not be apparent, but a little digging threshes it out. It is your opinion that “egyptian mytho-mysticism cannot constitute mathematical underpinnings” and it is a very uninformed one. You haven't studied mythology much at all to make this kind of statement unless you define ‘mathematical' in terms of man's creation of it. --------------NOT relating universal concepts to life is what is foolish.------------------- So, do you spend most of your time in the realm of ideas and research (physics) or are you down in the trenches fabricating josephson junctions or tunnel diodes or something? If in physics, have you moved on to the relativistic quantum physics of Dirac? Pair production and the like? Do you like the state-vector approach? Are you familiar with David Bohm's hidden variables? What about heinz pagels? Are you familiar with Aspect's experiment and conclusions (1982)? Do you care about bohr's copenhagen interpretation? It's been way too long since I solved QM problems.-------------As I said, I don't “claim” to be any smarter than most anybody else. I simply proved I could find what I was looking for and see patterns within apparent confusion when I scored highly on a few tests, which wasn't very remarkable in my view. I rest my “intelligence” or “creativity” laurels on my ability to overcome obstacles (most notably myself) rather than on a problem solving test. However, I know a lot less about “g” [and IQ's relation to “g”] than cooijmans does and so do you if you think that “g” or IQ is ‘one dimensional'. Professionals much greater than myself in the field of psychometrics have determined the validity of “g” and there's no disputing that (well, apparently MANY people who have no idea what they are talking about dispute it all the time). My ‘association' begins and ends with the fact that a couple of other people have scored as highly as I did on similar tests and both cooijmans and I have similar tastes in some music.----------Happy trails

05/29/02 - 00:01:07 GMT

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You guys claim to be smart, and I don't doubt it much. I was just wondering what the world's smartest guys would think of the Open Source community. Is it good or bad? Will it serve the world and help equalize the differences between poor and rich, dumb and smart, evil and good, or will it just make life harder for those who try to make a living on coding? Feel free to post the reply in the forum for the previously mentioned website.

05/28/02 - 07:02:11 GMT

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hey justin, how do you know if that's the real scott b. durgin? you might be debating some impostor!

05/26/02 - 18:27:29 GMT

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however i did add to him that i am a good guesser but i have to when communicating to understand things i have to know precisely what someone is asking ne way,holly.

05/26/02 - 18:25:24 GMT

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well...I took nicolas elena's iq tests and emailed my answers to him and he said they were all correct but he believes i am a good guesser and highly intelligent but that i feel his tests more than understand them the test i speak of is the matrix b which i maxed out at 200 the other one(his new one) i just took i maxed it out and have just sent my answers which he has claimed to me will eliminate the guessing and is extremely difficult the matrix c and its ceiling is 180!whew!give me a holla i would like to join this club and am working on the test for genuis but i dont think my score will qualify me holly.

05/26/02 - 07:42:56 GMT

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http://www.paulcooijmans.com/iqtests/boost_your_iq.html
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05/24/02 - 12:27:49 GMT

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Scott,
Funny, I have solved the Schrodinger equation countless times and am familiar with far more math and physics than you credit me with; I am both a physicist and an engineer. To say that egyptian mytho-mystycism constitutes mathematical underpinnings is ridiculous. Contrast that with Daoist cosmology and what things they associate with the same numbers. (Or, for that matter, any primitive, metaphysicaly fluffy association with things and numbers.) Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the rich culture that such things provide and do consider myself to be a scholar of their ideas. To the point of fitting a mathematical function to any shape with an infinitude of terms, I counter that it is you who does not understand the math you are using for how does the very math of Schrodinger's wave mechanics work? The entire concept of a fourier series relies on the FACT that ANY n-dimensional waveshape can be reconstructed by an infinite series in n-dimensions. Solutions to Schrodinger's and other partial differential equations are almost always some infinite series save for a few "easy" ideal cases. This is proven by people greater than myself and, I'm sorry, there is no disputing it. Your points on unity, duality, growth, etc are universal concepts that relate to universal truths; it is trivial to relate them to anything in life. Regardless, I believe that to 'toot one's own horn' with a ONE DIMENSIONAL score of "intelligence" that bases one's "one in a billion" standing on a seriously flawed understanding of the limits of the mathematics of statistics is grounds enough to destroy one's own claim. If you are truly as intelligent as you claim, then why are you even associating yourself with this group of posers on a website that was designed by (it looks like) a six year old? It just doesn't add up.

05/21/02 - 18:12:04 GMT

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The site is rather simple for the society which caims to be "One in a Billion". Think of something really innovative, somting which just shows as "The work of a Genious"

05/06/02 - 19:50:13 GMT

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Justin
Thank you for your comments. Your criticism is misplaced, however, and this is partly because I was incomplete in my commentary to which you refer. When I said “nearly everything” in the universe has mathematical underpinnings (please note I said “nearly”) I was not referring to newton's mathematics or heisenberg's mathematics or any mathematics that is an invention of man/woman in order to make sense of the world. (indeed I agree with what you imply: that math is essentially a SYMBOLIC LANGUAGE, CREATED by us and used to make predictions/understand ourselves, etc. In essence it is an attempt to bring the universe DOWN to our level. ( it can be argued that math is the superior language (when compared with other languages) in this regard but that is not germane.) the mathematics I was referring to was PYTHAGOREAN/EGYPTIAN (basically the numbers 1 through 9 is ALL you need and all I was talking about). This math calls to mind the concepts of UNITY (1), DUALITY OR DIVISION (2), RELATION (3), MANIFESTATION OR MATERIALITY (4), CREATION (5), FRAMEWORK (TIME AND SPACE, 6), GROWTH (7), and RETURN, UNITY, (8). You need to get a little more acquainted with egyptian symbolism, hebrew orthography/qabalism and ancient greek philosophy and math, as well as the relations between them in order to fully understand what I am talking about.
5 fold symmetry is EXACTLY what I had in mind when I used the term 'mathematics'. The fact that 5 fold symmetry exists on the small scale is a BEAUTIFUL confirmation that PYTHAGOREAN mathematics (what i was talking about) underlies most of nature. The fact that some crystals exhibit icosahedral and dodecahedral (the two platonic solids with beautiful 5 fold characteristics) symmetry actually PROVES MY POINT. Those solids are the most comprehensive and beautiful confirmation that ‘mathematics' underlies ALL. So, sorry to mislead you.
It also appears that you have not had much experience with either pythagorean or platonic math, nor any modern (post newton) math/physics. Heisenberg's relation is a great (post newton) mathematical encapsulation of the uncertainty principle, non-pythagorean as it is. The predictive qualities of math are by no means quashed. They are just REDEFINED to be in the realm of probabilities instead of “certainties”. Have you ever actually solved schroedinger's equation for one particle? Two? Have you studied (not read, STUDIED) any Feynman? David Bohm? Paul Dirac? The practice of doing this will bring an appreciation for how people INVENT and RE-INVENT the language of math in order to make sense of the (in this case, atomic) world. Equations and mathematical relations are intended to call to mind the impressions of physical phenomena. Their invention is an attempt to actually SOLVE problems (and sometimes create them). I would suggest that if you believe that solving problems on paper is nonsensical, then you have probably never really tried to solve any problem, period, whether its designing a bridge or plane, or solving a marital dispute. If you believe that one can add an infinitude of terms to an equation to match any shape than you have not studied functions, nor do you have an understanding of ‘phi' or ‘e'. the fact that the ‘phi' series approximates many natural phenomena is a wonder in itself as man had little to do with the development of ‘phi'. it was more a discovery (as far back as egypt anyway) than an invention
You are, in my opinion, quite right about practicing tests in order to improve one's performance, but it does not apply in my case, as paul's test was one of the first I ever took. In fact I am emphatic about my NOT being ANY SORT of genius nor do I consider myself any “smarter” than the average person and wish that more people would take the G. D. test to prove me right! I simply have the ability to research and the ability to FIND THINGS. This certainly should not be a special trait. Take it! I'm sure that MANY MORE of us can solve these problems if one has a mind to.
That ‘women represent all that's perfect in the world' would be an idiotic comment for one who is not familiar with symbology, mythology, ancient philosophy or masonry.
As far as your second comment goes, I think you are correct in your skepticism. BUT, over time, Paul's thesis will be either proved (or at least accepted) or disproved (much easier to do). In the case where more and more people take the test and score perfectly, a re-norming will be necessary and I can relax without having to worry that I am potentially a freak of nature.
cheers

05/03/02 - 13:58:28 GMT

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I think tha your site is for people who have some extra abilities to think!

05/01/02 - 02:41:31 GMT

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And on the note of mathematical approximations, can any of you 196ers provide me with a logical and water-tight mathematical argument WHY the whole IQ system doesn't break down way up there 6 st-devs from the mean. I mean, after all, this is only based on a VERY SIMPLE Gaussian model and, as all statisticians will tell you, the accuracy of a distribution is heavily dependant on the sample size. When we're talking about ONE in a BILLION discrimination in a sample MUCH LESS THAT A BILLION, the statistical error is huge. Such misapplication of mathematics indicates a major misunderstanding of the very fundamental concepts used to create the IQ scale in the first place. I mean, do you HONESTLY believe that the human intelligence distribution is perfectly Gaussian? Yeah right... Maybe in some kooky non-linear set of units, but then your scores are meaningless in themselves. By your own admission, Durgin and Wolf both scored perfect on the numbers test. Does this not indicate a ceiling of sorts? I'm sure that two billion people have not taken the Numbers test, and so the likelihood that two of the six that might score perfect on the test actually took it seems a little incredible. I'm sure if you were all as intelligent as you claim to be this fact would be screaming at you. How about it guys? Any answers?

05/01/02 - 02:20:36 GMT

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Re : Scott "Nearly E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G in the universe has mathematical underpinnings."
Sigh...this certainly comes from an idealist mind. No, my friend, I would say that if you look close enough, there are no mathematics to describe anything in nature. Indeed, nature preceeded mathematics and this is obvious in the shortcomings of mathematics to explain anything in the real world. Mathematics evolved as a simple and approximate description of reality that, when pushed beyond it's arena, yields nonsense. How do you describe the chaos of quasicrystal 5-fold symmetry? Not with mathematics. How do you explain the fundamental uncertainties in quantum mechanics? The predictive power of mathematics is quashed in these arenas. Indeed the back of a turtle, the skin of a pineapple, flora, and conch shells are only APPROXIMATED by mathematics. Any fool knows that one can add an infinitude of terms to an equation to fit it to any shape, but only to within some arbitrary accuracy. Allow me then to rephrase : "Mathematical underpinnings can be attached to anything in the universe"
You also emphasize the need for practice. Indeed, any intelligent person, given practice, can undertake the trade of another. In my experience, IQ tests and the types of questions they ask can, like any other thing, be practiced and one can improve their ability to answer them. In fact, practicing such abstract and nonsensical skills makes one better at nothing but scoring high on IQ tests. Just as a doctor can practice to become a good doctor, or a musician can practice to become a good musician, so can a person practice to become "intelligent" (as gauged by such tests). Indeed, it all cases, such persons will also learn skills that have some degree of parallel applicability, but they, of themselves, amount to nothing more than simply what they are.
"Women represent all that is perfect in the world"
I wonder, then why there are so many prisons for women. This is an idiotic comment, especially considering that it comes from someone who considers himself among the most intelligent people on the planet. Dig your own grave deeper, man!
By all means, expanding the mind is a fabulous endeavour and the achievements of people are to be commended, but one must watch to not expand the ego as well. I will remember those people who have accomplished great things and contributed to society and not those who simply elevate themselves to greatness in the eyes of their self-same. Your participation in this society, paradoxically, excludes you from the group of people it is meant to represent. Do well in life, be happy and don't worry about how smart you or others think you are.

05/01/02 - 00:32:18 GMT

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mm..i was just wondering.. Durgin, could you possibly be so kind and give me your definition of "truth"? I would really enjoy hearing your thoughts on it:)Ive got a feeling id be able to perhaps, come one step closer to it..Id like that. If not.. I really enjoyed your web-site and i wish you well in all you do, and everything you dont. Best, Morgan

04/26/02 - 18:16:48 GMT

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I am a member of Mensa (Cattel B score 162) and I really admire people like you who have such a gift and help others to foster it. I have always been excluded and bullied for my high intelligence; I hope your society is successful.

04/25/02 - 14:07:45 GMT

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Am I lost? How can you be such people of high IQ? Marvelous! Do you think you are a genius just because your IQ is 195 or higher? I hope you will achieve as much as your IQ demands. Have a good luck.

04/24/02 - 13:53:21 GMT

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I think I qualify for your society.

04/23/02 - 19:34:40 GMT

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Hi, I was wondering if any of your guys play chess? with your intelligence you'd have no trouble winning world tournaments....am i right? if not, why not? chess is easy to learn yet hard to master due to the very complex strategies. Prove yourself and win the world chess championships.

04/23/02 - 12:35:35 GMT

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I think you are complete and utter arseholes for disabling the "Back" button so I have to kill IE and try and get back to the page I found you on. I will not come back here.

04/16/02 - 13:42:39 GMT

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Evelyn, I don't know about you, but I have a large range of IQ scores. Heck, if I could beat my current highest score by even less than the difference between it and my lowest score, I'd be a member of this Society. Anyway, if somebody asked me what my IQ is, I'd tell them my highest score. I think that is reasonable and not deceptive. However, I frankly consider an IQ somewhere in the middle to more accurately reflect my typical mental performance. Most days, I don't function close to 100%.

04/15/02 - 16:28:07 GMT

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04/13/02 - 13:13:30 GMT

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Does anyone know which test score to believe if you've done a few? Should you believe your top score because it shows what your brain can do, or should you take the average result? If anyone knows, i'd be grateful for the answer here or a quick email. :oP

04/12/02 - 18:17:13 GMT

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Wow! I just simply must comment on this one. I probably shouldn't pick on the mentally young (regardless of chronological age) but I feel a certain duty here. This is for those who may think like“Javi” whom i presume is a member of the male gender.
If you believe that “finding the next in a series” or “finding what comes next” is irrelevant or a waste of time then you must not have had ANY exposure to music, mathematics, human relations, science, law or LIFE for heaven's sake! Being creative is nearly impossible without understanding your world. Creativity without understanding is not creativity at all but is nothing but expression, similar to exhaust coming from a car or a belch from the mouth. The world is where it is now due to lack of understanding on the part of its people.
Yes, practice is fun but it is also NECESSARY. Does not the craftsman apprentice for years? Does not the marathon runner practice daily? Does not the chess player play countless practice games so as to challenge the master? Does not the doctor ‘intern' first? Does not the actor practice his lines to perfect the drama? Does not the musician rehearse? Does not the architect MODEL before building? Does not the architect draw before modeling? Does not the architect THINK before drawing?

THINK, friend
Creation/creativity requires THINKING
Mature thinking requires Practice and MUCH thinking.
It is true that a man's ACTIONS/VOCATIONS/CREATIONS are a good measure of his worth, but a man's actions ought to have been developed by his THOUGHTS first.‘Without a finality indeed', where you BEGIN (i.e; THINKING) is ten times more important than where you end, for the beginning DETERMINES the end. Make your beginnings broad and deep and the end is bound to succeed.
Mental practice is worth its weight in gold, my friend. And it never gets old, for when can it be said that life is mastered? Mathematical series are beautifully manifested on the back of a turtle, the skin of a pineapple, the growth of flora, conch shells, medieval architecture, etc. The kabbala, music, fibonnaci, quantum mechanics, consciousness are all spokes held together by a common center. They are all related. Music is the geometry of sound, geometry is the structure of the universe, gematria is one key to deciphering the structure of hebrew scriptures. Nearly E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G in the universe has mathematical underpinnings.
UNDERSTAND the origins of christianity. UNDERSTAND the origins of buddhism. UNDERSTAND atheism. UNDERSTAND islam. UNDERSTAND judaism, hinduism, taoism, etc and you will never take up arms against another. Nor will you ever think that what you believe is more valid than another. You will see they all spring from a common source. You will see that MATHEMATICS and SYMBOLS underlie the structures of each and every one of them.
Religion is a puzzle, philosophy is a puzzle, physics is a puzzle, communication is a puzzle, language is a puzzle, Women are puzzles, the universe is a puzzle, LIFE is a puzzle. Solving puzzles is LIFE. Don't you want to practice?
If you are chronologically young, then forgive my harshness, please. If you are a woman, then ignore everything I've said, for you probably know all of this already. Women represent all that is perfect in the world. If you are older (for you ARE mentally young, either way), then expand your mind, man! seize the day! spend all the time you can solving inane puzzles! it's good practice for when the going gets tough. There are only a few days/years in ones life. time flies.
And if you do believe that mental puzzles have nonsensical fruits or relations that lead to nowhere, then I can tell you for sure that you are missing out on A LOT. cheers

04/12/02 - 12:38:24 GMT

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04/09/02 - 18:29:49 GMT

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Hello people! Very interesting your comments, some of them have surprised me -positively!. Thank you also to Paul who seems reading all the notes.
I want to tell you my thought: About this hobby of IQ tests, I do think it's not worth loosing too much time trying to "continue the serie", guesing non-sense numbers, finding-out relationships that goes to nonwhere. It is better to demonstrate intelligence by other creative meanings: research, literature, culture, politics, management, humanitarian purposes, etc. I dont think the most intelligent people waste a lot of time in activities without a finality. Anyway, it is fun sometimes to practise that kind of entertainment. ( But only if you are boried!) Kisses.

04/04/02 - 20:50:47 GMT

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Hi guys! I want to do your Daedalus test, but I am not good enough at English. Could one of you (maybe the Dutchman) be so kind and translate it in German? Thanks your Philipp PS: Good luck for your homepage!

04/04/02 - 16:41:55 GMT

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every test of high iq society has some advantages for people who live in english-speaking country. I am angry and dissatisfied with that fact!! Bye~ and take good cares. from a sixteen who can't speak good english(struggling!!)

04/03/02 - 07:00:13 GMT

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do you think estimates on Johann Wolfgang von Goethe's IQ are correct? they say it's around 210. you should be able to answer that, or at least have an estimate.

03/25/02 - 19:29:40 GMT

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Someone from Alabama actually visiting a website devoted to intelligence. How ludicrous! Nonetheless, I am here to present some key issues that one of you cerebrals might explain. Looking over the Paul Cooijmans tests, I noticed that some of them are of doubtful quality. The Qoymans Multiple Choice test requires nothing more than a library and a computer connected to the Internet (and some common sense) to get a good score. You have a 50/50 chance on any one question. Tests such as the Nemesis are by no means easy, but any qualified psychometrician would dismiss it. Paul Cooijmans has synthesized some superb specimens that could in fact discriminate at the 1x10^9 level, but there are others that seem to be of dubious quality. My favorite tests by PC are the TFG Long Form, Daedalus Test, Cooijmans Intelligence Test, and Space, Time, and Hyperspace. Which tests do you find most valid? By the way Paul, it says in your history of GliaWeb tests that someone scored perfect on the Daedalus Test in 2001. Why did this person not become a member of the Giga Society? Good day to you all.

03/25/02 - 07:37:29 GMT

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Just as a person with some spare mind to think about th certainty of things said (sorry, but that's me) "The brightness of things are in the small ways we can change them, with our toughts...Intelligence is the answer, and Education the Solution..." I just wish that every year my I.Q. could gain at least a point or two...(I'm 16 and 136) and I know I can't brag about my I.Q., but...I can beat u all in B-Ball (Have anyone seen A Beautiful Mind, such a lovely movie...)

03/13/02 - 12:19:49 GMT

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What does it feel like to be so smart? Well, I imagine you can't compare as you are what you are, but what types of things do you(members of this society) think about? --JRW IQ136

03/08/02 - 02:27:37 GMT

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Just as to answer Turtle's post below, I neglected to say aforementioned kid has a tested IQ of 230-something. I suspect he would pass the giga-society test easily :>

03/07/02 - 11:39:41 GMT

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Just here to disagree with comment made by person two posts before. I saw it too, and that kid does not qualify. Would not qualify. Reading 8 books a night is not exactly a gauge of intelligence. Granted he has a mentor, but would still not qualify.

03/01/02 - 05:23:00 GMT

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Losers! IQ 196 indeed! WHy not join a real society with me at the Tera Society, where an IQ of 250 is required to join!!! Becuase none of you are as brainy as me - with my IQ of 363!!!! PS Why isn't Mr. Langan in your society? Answer - as you are LOSERS!!!!

02/27/02 - 01:52:54 GMT

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I would just like to inform the members there's a new kid on the block - hardly myself with only a high IQ (good enough for Mensa) - but a child of around 11 born somewhere in Australia. Saw him on TV - he reads 8 books a night (e.g. Harry Potter :>) but still goes to a normal school. Thinks he is definately smarter than Einstein was. Ah well, he will learn IQ does not not equal achievement but he may be a good candidate for your society.

02/22/02 - 19:48:31 GMT

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I'm 16, and thoroughly impressed. Like, way cool dudes.

02/18/02 - 00:02:57 GMT

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Me again I would like to add a theory of mine. I believe that a unthinkble high iq scre. Combinded with extremly strong mental mind. Would be a person who could understand the purpose of life. But most imprtant of it all. "Always look at the bright side of life"

02/17/02 - 23:53:44 GMT

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member of this site please answer. I would estimate my intelligence to somewhere around one in a houndred. In what other way do you highiqscorers feel that you see the world? And in what ways in everyday life do you feel superior to other people? I dont know if I would like to have an IQ score as high as yours. Ofcourse its good too be smart but it takes a really great person to handle that kind of IQ without beeing a really boring person. I would rather be like me, smart creative and a great athlete. By the way I look good to. I would like to start a society for multitalanted people like me. But most important of it all. "Always look at the bright side of life"

02/17/02 - 00:14:02 GMT

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I may only have an IQ of 97 which, I'm told, isn't high enough for your group even though I am a very successful video artist (which is more than most members of High IQ societies can truthfully say). Anyway, ever since the advent of post-modern thought, hasn't it been pretty much established that truth is not life affirming and that those with a predisposition to understanding philosophy (eg you 197 IQ eggheads) should retreat away from public exposure (by NOT creating websites dedicated to their favorite TV programs and their IQ scores) to create new myths to keep the masses from the destructive power of truth? I mean, who wants to hear the prejudices (foundations) of one's moral order exposed? It is bad for life. And isn't always the super-intelligent, through untimely meditations, who do the exposing and are sometimes martyred for it (Socrates, Jesus, Kit Cloudkicker from "Tailspin"). And if it is the super-intelligent who are responsible for untimely meditations (either that or fabulous works of art, video art included. [see da Vinci, Michelangelo Buonnarotti, Mozart, Oliver Stone) then shouldn't the top 3 smartest people in the world be either a)hiding from the masses b)creating VALUABLE works of art or c)quietly making zillions of dollars, drinking fine wines with fine hookers and waiting to die? I'd also like to note that the other 3 "world's smartest" should statistically be women, shouldn't they?

02/14/02 - 23:03:18 GMT

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Hi there. If I may say so, your website is quite inspiring to us non-genius types. I find it ironic, however, that within a society of 196+ IQers, it seems impossible to retrieve letters sent after the crash... Just a thought. But it is also nice to see those of immense intellectual potential to admit that they perhaps aren't really that smart. Not that I doubt you of course; indeed, the things you have on your site pertaining to trivia, requirements on joining, etc., are nearly proof enough in and of themselves of your high IQ. As the wise man said, pride goeth before the fall. In any event, keep up the "good work." Intellectually yours, Jason

02/14/02 - 03:35:04 GMT

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My I.Q. is that of 197.

02/12/02 - 11:59:11 GMT

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i want to see u r website

02/10/02 - 23:50:56 GMT

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I'd like to know more about your group, such as how many members and is there a newsletter I could subscribe to? I am a student majoring in Psychology, recently scored 31 on the Mega test and joined up with the OATH people. I am extremely interested in the phenomenon of ultra high intelligence, the sociology, the differences and the similarities between you and average people, or people like me even. Someday we may isolate the genes responsible. Are you statistical freaks or a genuine artifact line of a lineage carrying these purported genes? I wonder if you represent the future. Please, have lots of kids and and promulagate your lines as far and wide as possible. We need more of you in our little world. That's about all I can say, so thanks for this little forum. Sincerely, Sheila D. Ivy

01/30/02 - 04:11:54 GMT

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From "State of the World Population 2001" at http://www.unfpa.org/swp/2001/english/ch01.html : "Our numbers have doubled since 1960 to 6.1 billion..." If you accept only one in a billion, then you have 6.1 potential members. How many members do you have in fact? I hope not more than 6. Also, with a 690V + 770Q GRE, can I be the .1 member, just to fill out the statistics?

01/29/02 - 01:14:13 GMT

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Hey guys, I've been doing the Space, Time, Hyperspace subtest of the TFG and have answered all but Q26 and Q28. I may have one or two incorrect, but at age 20 I was wondering what score I need to enter your society. I'm not exaggerating (I hope) but the aha sensation from 25 and 27 was too strong to be unsure if I'm right. I've also aligned the 4d slices for 28 but am struggling to visualise as accurately as is needed. This last point is why you didn't receive my test 6 months ago - I'm pushing for the limit. Anyway, if you get this could you e-mail me - I'd hate to be sitting on a winning ticket only for you to withdraw the test. Thanks, Jared

01/29/02 - 00:14:04 GMT

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I think I am one of the greatest mind in the hole universum! I did estimate that my iq is 170,but no one would never believe me. This started when I took into my hands mensa number book and started to just stare the numbers.Would you believe me Coojiman? I am now 17-years old.

01/22/02 - 21:38:40 GMT

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Where for art thou Billy Sidis? Oh Billy boy, Billy boy. Please come home. There is no ether in the cantina. Must be a drum to beat on. Can't tell if I am moving forward or in reverse. Note to self...leave the lights, I am afraid of the dark.

01/14/02 - 03:16:11 GMT

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I certainly wouldn't attack your intelligence; I'm sure you are extremely brilliant. However, the credit for that isn't quite yours to take. I can understand this if it is a way to show the lesser societies that they aren't as cool as they think, but why else would one join such a society? This is not an attack; I have great respect for your accomplishments. Still, I wonder why 3 geniuses would want to start a club. Love and respect from California.

01/13/02 - 17:13:07 GMT

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You guys think you're pretty big with all that overdose of intelligence, but strangly you don't seem to have enough intelligence to realise that life is ment to be lived not to be questioned. :P Happiness comes from uncertainty!

01/12/02 - 13:49:05 GMT

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I may be a mere child with an IQ of only 172 but I have several points to make.
1. If the standard deviation of IQ is meant to be 15, then there aren't enough people in the world to compare to for anyone to have an IQ above 195, so technically your group should have no members. If you have used 16 as the standard deviation as in some tests, then this is the wrong standard deviation.
2. Why did the founder of the group create a society that he was too stupid to join?
3. How can you be so sure that your IQ is above so many other peoples when you can't even be sure that anyone other than yourself exists? Remember "wisest is he who knows he does not know."
4. Intelligence is a gift, use it to do some good in your short lifetime, don't get big headed or waste your life riding on the fact that you may have a greater thinking ability than most others. You should be doing something good for the world but remember the world cannot be saved, we can only postpone its death.
5. Intelligence is the root of all evil, as proved by people.
6. Don't take yourselves too seriously because nothing matters.
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01/11/02 - 19:16:22 GMT

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Why don't you hire a dull one to make a new webpage..

01/02/02 - 19:07:47 GMT

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Best wishes to all smart ones. Thanks for keeping society going.

12/19/01 - 20:35:42 GMT

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hi smart guys how can 'intelligence societies' say what percentile of the population their members are smarter than? what about the millions(billions?) of us who have never taken an iq test? no statistics, please. we all know 76% of statistics are made up on the spot. thanks

12/17/01 - 11:03:34 GMT

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My scant knowledge would be advanced if anyone would be so kind as to describe the controlling contradiction of Giga Society and other high IQ clubs. Thank you. DougBuchanan.com logic@think.ws

11/29/01 - 09:45:09 GMT

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i want to see your iq test

11/18/01 - 19:24:15 GMT

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I am the proud owner of an IQ of 112.It has been my observation that wisdom and common sence has more value than a high IQ. I have been married to a smart ass for the last 34 years.

11/15/01 - 18:25:22 GMT

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I really enjoyed yor webpage it was the funniest thing I have seen in years. Trying to solve such difficult problems at fiveam in the morning was great good job guys keep it up

11/13/01 - 16:16:08 GMT

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Me gusta vuestra Web, como no? José Busquets Poveda. Un saludo. Mensa/TNS

11/02/01 - 13:56:11 GMT

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I agree with many of the people who have responded about the audacity of saying these people are among the six most intelligent people in the world. At best, what they have is IQ's in the top six in the world (which isn't the same as intelligence). Whether or not Marilyn vos Savant scored higher than them isn't important in that particular test, but I bet her scores on high-ceiling IQ tests would average higher than probably anyone else. Once you're in the high-IQ arena (160+, maybe even 150+, which I by no means am), I have the opinion that your high IQ is more a measure of how well you did on a test than on your actual intelligence. I think that the fact that both members of Giga scored perfect on the NUMBERS subtest of the Test for Genius shows that they probably can't get perfect scores on the entire test, and the likelihood they can reproduce >=196 on any other test is low. Don't get me wrong. These people are probably brilliant (and I say probably meaning, in Coojimans words about ESP, beyond a reasonable doubt), but this score at best to me indicates that they are in the high intelligence category (99.9%). Beyond that, though, who can say who's most intelligent? I believe that actual real-world intelligence (not achievement that only a few attain) can be measured. How fast does it take these people to master subjects (history, political science, economics, mathematics, for example), learn languages, master craftsmanship that deals with the hands (woodworking, metal working, etc.), and abilities in professions that are typically held by intelligent people (law, medicine, engineering, even real estate - how good are they at business?) Actual ability in such areas, and many more, show real intellectual intelligence. Maybe confidence and other qualities associated with emotional intelligence limit peoples' development to some degree who are otherwise genuises, but for normal people it shouldn't limit their potential much at all. Great achievements aside, which come as a result of persistence, hard work, creativity, luck, often high specialization, and inspiration, these people should be real geniuses. That's all I ask, and even given that, it's dubious that they're one in a billion. Case in point, I met someone who scored a 1600 on the SAT and 36 on the ACT. His real intelligence is what impressed me, however. If he had scored high on these tests without real intellect, I wouldn't have thought he was really so brilliant. I've said a mouthful, so that's my two-cents worth.

10/29/01 - 09:36:05 GMT

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Paul, You don't know what you are talking about. Feynman didn't score anywhere NEAR the ceiling on the S-B. He scored around 90-95th percentile. Those of you thinking unsupervised powertests measure anything other than persistence are seriously fooling yourselves. I would be surprised if the average IQ of Mega members was much above 125.

10/29/01 - 07:39:06 GMT

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I wanna be your member. And I believe I can. Give me a chance. please send me a mail.. I'll be waiting.. Have a nice day...

10/26/01 - 12:07:55 GMT

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On standard tests Feynman had no chance to score much higher than he did. Such tests do not discriminate at high levels, so mentioning such scores here is irrelevant. On a test with higher ceiling he would obviously have scored higher. See link for tests. And you know nothing of achievements of current IQ society members. You cannot judge them before their lives are history.

10/22/01 - 11:04:51 GMT

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Durgin's favorite 20th century physical scientist, Richard Feynman, certainly would not have qualified for your society. His IQ was measured to be a mere 120 in high school (I don't know which test was used). Yet, no Giga, Mega, or Prometheus member even comes close to his accomplishments. I would like to hear your thoughts on that.

10/21/01 - 04:44:35 GMT

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Hey Paul! I finally signed the new guest book! Let me know when you read this. :)

10/20/01 - 01:48:50 GMT

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Ok, so, obviously I'm not that smart. I tried to enter a signature once, but I think I got it right this time. Ok, the site is cool, but reading the info about the members, I wasn't too impressed. It makes me feel much better knowing that even the most intelligent people in the world are just as odd as I am in my likes, dislikes, and hobbies. Good luck in your endevours. (I hope I spelled that right)

10/17/01 - 09:16:38 GMT

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oh, it was the deep yearning inside kain !!

10/08/01 - 19:40:58 GMT

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why the helld you write that jane.

10/07/01 - 20:46:28 GMT

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power without perception is pointless what if mankind were offered the technology to traverse the infinite void-trillions of light years in what would seem to us a moment in our perception of reality-what a great power that would be---but are we ready for such?either way I must make a decision one fine day--to unveil betwixt enchanted skys of old the fortune of the twilit night.undaunted by the the length of space time ringing there within my ear sublime i see the light itis a wonder-full of awe --------engage.

10/04/01 - 05:29:28 GMT

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I have above average intelligence(141) and I feel as though I know no more about our existence than my five year old niece. Do you(Giga members) feel as though you have been able to find truth in correct proportion to your intellectual abilities relative to everyone else?
Did you ever fret over not being able to figure it out? Do you still? What makes you feel good? Do you know why? Regarding mate selection, did(do) you require a mate of substantial IQ or do you just need to be loved? How smart are your kids?
I hope you will be kind enough to answer these questions. I would understand if you find them intrusive and decline to answer. God bless

10/03/01 - 06:14:26 GMT

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Hi... I arrive here from measa's board. And...I had good sightseeing.
My real name is Ji-hye Kim.. Yes..I'm Korean. I love stars at night sky... I also like numbers.^^;;
I'm happy with them... But..sometimes... I'm in sad temper... There is the truth.. "God tempers the wind to the shorn lamb." ^^* I really don't like my manic-depressive psychosis.
By now!! I'll be here next time~
::+:The world isn't as beautiful as stars but has same warm:+::

10/02/01 - 19:17:36 GMT

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Paul Cooijmans, you are really hot. Is that picture really old? My IQ is like 175, but I have no atention span so I can't use it very well. Here's a question that I've always wanted to ask a genius: What does gravity smell like?

10/02/01 - 04:30:04 GMT

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Oh yeah, almost forgot. Luciferius, There is a God, and there is pain. And only God can take away the pain.

10/02/01 - 04:22:57 GMT

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Cool, the site could be better though, it's a little boring, I do like the personal info though, that's always fun to read. I can't imagine how boring it would be to have an IQ that high, I get extrememly bored with mine, and mine is pretty low, 148. Heck, I think more average people think slow, it must seem like others are at a stand still to you.

09/24/01 - 21:11:58 GMT

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There is no god, only Pain.

09/19/01 - 22:39:32 GMT

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Hello, I arrived at your link on the ron hoeflin page of uncommonly difficult iq tests. I saw giga and couldnt believe that there was a one in a billion society. But you have created one. How many members do you have now? I only see three on your website. Has maryln vos savant taken your test, because i had the understanding that she has the highest IQ ever tested. Could i possibly get a sample of some of the questions you ask on your admission test? Well i was just inquiring. I know i have no chance of ever being a member. I was just curious. Thanks Eric Stone

09/17/01 - 13:31:39 GMT

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is it cool being brainy?

09/15/01 - 01:51:51 GMT

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I am in awe of your abilities. Dont ever take them for granted, stay humble, and be true to yourselves. Remember few people are so lucky.

09/13/01 - 00:36:17 GMT

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Maybee Paul, you can use your gift to help the world in bringing resolve to the recent crisis that took place in New York. Maybee in code breaking for the NSA, or intelligence work for the cia, or maybee just a philosophical overview summing up the latest crisis in a historical perspective, or maybee you could write some of the most powerful and expressive music for the ears of the people of the world.

09/10/01 - 21:00:35 GMT

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I have viewed these web; it is fascinating the world of the Best (Human) Intelligence; seeing the faces of people really clever, I feel closer to the final purpose of the Human been. By other side, to the Web maker, I would advise not to use blue color over blue back. ( It's only a joke, thanks).

09/08/01 - 02:30:40 GMT

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sorry one other thing, in my experience the 'dumb shits', as some self proclaimed dumb shit commented below, won't ever get around to exacting 'revenge' (what do we want 'revenge', why do we want it 'don't know' when do we want it 'now'), they'll all be too busy drinking beer and watching television.

09/08/01 - 02:24:05 GMT

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strange reading these negative comments, people buy brands and magazines because somone proclaimed them as having outer beauty, whatever that may be. someone proclaims intelligence, and everyone gets defensive and irrate? and where on this site did they say they were better than anyone else? Those are your thoughts perhaps, not theirs.

09/02/01 - 22:08:11 GMT

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Ur site is psychologically demorilizing. All we dumb shits are gonna exact revenge someday. Viva la dumbshit!

08/29/01 - 15:18:20 GMT

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Is there someplace I can go to exchange my "gift" of a 99.7 percentile IQ? It's OK, but I'd really rather look like Nichole Kidman.

08/24/01 - 04:30:55 GMT

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if your all geniuses....then tell me this...why am i so handsome?

08/20/01 - 16:02:35 GMT

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J : The thing to keep in mind is that infinity, by definition, is undefined. It makes no sense to speak of infinity as a definite or discrete point. A definition that adequately describes 'infinity' in the mathematical sense is the concept of 'increasing(decreasing) without bound'. As in your example, should the denominator get arbitrarily small, the quantity will get arbitrarily large; ie: increase without bound, or decrease should the value be negative. The curious thing about the 1/0 case is that it lies directly beween the extremes of "negative infinity" and "positive infinity" (in the case of the y=1/x) And so 1/0 lies in a mysterious realm that is equidistant from the extremities of the numberline(?) It would likely make some sense to place the quantity 1/0 in an orthogonal dimension (the Im axis?)where it can 'nicely' find its way from one end to the other. Hope this provided something to think about :-)
As for the Giga society, besides their scores on these tests, these members give no indication of 'genius' above any intelligent, well rounded person. The goal of "showing other HIQ societies that they're not all that" sounds like nothing but cerebral testosterone talk; you're stooping to Mensa levels with that one (na-na, we're smarter). The need to assign a number to your 'intelligence' is simply a sign of insecurity and lack of self confidence. The same as the bully who feels he needs to appear the strongest, though he is definitely not. I have taken a handfull of good IQ tests simply out of curiosity to see what constitutes 'intelligence' by IQ standards. I have never, however, revealed my scores to anyone, because it is both unneccesary and without purpose. Who cares how intelligent I am? My legacy will be one of accomplishment and contribution of something meaningful and postive to the evolution of mankind, and not a simple entry into the Guinness book for doing the best on elite tests written by the very people that excel at them.
Of course, Paul runs as well, which to me seems fitting to his personality. Running is quite a pointless and stupid sport; in line with lifting heavy things and american boxing. It does, however, give you a number score of how well you did that you can tell all your 'friends' about. I suggest that if you want to train your body in an intelligent way you seek out high level masters of internal Chinese martial arts and take up learing a complete system. No belts or grades to distract you from the task at hand, only relaxation, practice and concentration. No knee injuries, no sore back; it is all tuned to natural body mechanics and, when practiced properly, can give one fantastic health benefits and the physical power of several people despite having only average strength.
This is all not to say that the gigasociety has no intelligent members, as I'm sure they are all intelligent in their own right. I just see nothing extraordinarily above average. So pat yourselves on the back, fellows, but don't think there's not a long way to go yet.
Regards, Justin

08/17/01 - 15:25:58 GMT

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About Nobel Prize winners and their lower average IQs: Nobel Prizes are often awarded for political reasons. That someone receives a N.P. says nothing about his intelligence or achievement. That someone does not receive one says even less about his intelligence or achievement.

08/16/01 - 16:50:29 GMT

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Hi - I've been at your site before. It's a great idea. Though the site lacks a bit of content. In any case, I don't know how valid your claims are to such high IQ, but I do know that those who blatantly accuse you of not having it are clearly jealous and have personal issues to deal with. IQ is just a measure of the efficiency and good design of someone's brain. No different than blood sugar levels. IQ is not a ticket to success - as Nobel prize comparisons indicate. As with everything to succeed you need to actually DO something and not sit on your ass feeling clever. For some reason some people have difficulty grasping this, and so view high IQ'ed people with suspician, as if these people were getting some free lunch or something. *end rant* :)

08/14/01 - 19:55:07 GMT

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I am interested in the idea of how the brain works and what makes a genius.

08/14/01 - 04:04:58 GMT

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I would like to hear your thoughts on this. Please reply in the guestbook. Concerning the nature of the "undefined" relationship, that is a number of any variety divided by zero. Would you consider this value to be equal to infinity? Look at this line of reasoning:
1/(1/10)=10
1/(1/10000)=10000
1/(1/1000000000)=1000000000
and so on. Hypothetically, if the denominator were to reach zero, would the value of the entire expression be infinity? Or, if the denominator were to be negative, would the value become negative infinity? Feedback, please. I just want to hear what you think.

08/13/01 - 21:13:15 GMT

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I think intelligence is based more on the creative power a person has. Studies have been made to test the IQ of several Nobel prizes and have found that their tests show just average intelligence... The greatest genius in history of mankind have transformed humanity in so many ways...

08/13/01 - 02:39:36 GMT

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I'm an 18 year old male, and I've scored over 190 on numerous IQ tests under supervised conditions - do I get to enter your elitist society? I've got a newflash for you: about a year ago I couldn't score over 170, and two years ago my IQ had dipped to an unacceptable 159 (all supervised tests, my friends). With minor visualization practice, I upped my score an 'impossible' amount in a very short period of time. Justify this, please.. Oh, that's right, ya can't. Why not? Because IQ scores are complete bull. I wish you the best in your ignorance, however.

08/08/01 - 08:07:53 GMT

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This is a good site. You should consider adding a discussion forum, or rather, several of them; One for every subject. I love to discuss and argue scientific things with people of equal or superior intelligence. With an IQ of (only) 160, I find it hard to meet such people. You three certainly fit the bill, though, and I'd be glad to promote the site to draw more people to talk to.

08/03/01 - 08:56:45 GMT

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The Giga Society has 2 members. Tests to qualify are at the page mentioned above (mine). There are no known persons with Giga-level IQs apart from the current members. Childhood scores like that of Savant are not comparable to adult IQs with a standard deviation of 16 and not accepted for admission.

07/30/01 - 11:50:52 GMT

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how many giants does it take to screw in a lightbulb? only 2 but god knows how they got in there

07/30/01 - 00:43:25 GMT

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DO YOU KNOW 'KIM WOONG YONG'? HIS IQ IS HIGHER THAN 250.(WOW~) AND HE IS RECORDED AS THE HIGHEST IQ IN GUINESS BOOK(I DON'T KNOW ITS SPELL COMPLETELY)HE WAS VERY FAMOUS IN KOREA IN HIS YOUTH AND HE ENTERED UNIVERSITY WHEN HE WAS 4 YEARS OLD.(UNBELIEVABLE)WHY DON'T YOU TRY TO CONNECT HIM? I'M SORRY THAT I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE IS.

07/30/01 - 00:37:26 GMT

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I WANT TO JOIN SUCH A WONDERFUL SOCIETY~IF I HAVE TIME IN THE FUTURE I WILL TRY TO JOIN 'GIGA SOCIETY'BUT I DON'T THINK I'M SUCH A GENIUS LIKE YOU.IN KOREA MY TEST RESULTS IN HIGH SCHOOL WAS 170..(MUCH LESS THAN YOU --;;) HAVE A NICE DAY~^^

07/27/01 - 16:10:14 GMT

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Two challenges: Decipher this code ejg;sdlgf:sleka:ml.
Riddle me this: If orchARD GRANGE IS OFF A7 WHAT IS THE CURE FOR INNER THIGH CHEESE! i HAVE AN IQ OF 197 is that good.

07/25/01 - 07:08:57 GMT

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I would like to propose the idea of dimensional thought. Eg? What is in the water and out of the water and is like pure gold?

07/24/01 - 19:19:58 GMT

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Hmmmm. I'm curious about one thing. Have you ever asked Marilyn Vos Savant to join your society? She does have the worlds highest recorded IQ, after all. I believe her IQ is somewhere around 228. With her, you could have 4 members, so you'd only be missing the 2 from the unrepresented 2 billion people. You might want to contact her and see if she's interested. She has a column in Parade magazine, so you can write to her through that, I would guess.

07/22/01 - 10:18:27 GMT

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Could you please reply with roughly how many members you have? I am curious how many members you have if 1 in a billion gets 197+ I am a mere child with 157, Hmmm, I may have to upgrade from mensa, don't want to be in 2% when I can be in .01% see you later

07/22/01 - 00:21:16 GMT

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Ok, I just a 15 years old girl, but a would like to have you intelligence, i know is just one person in a billion and i'm not that person. :( but if we can't have a 196 IQ, we can try be happy without that intelligence. eheheh Stay Well

07/14/01 - 16:12:51 GMT

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Qualifying for Giga is now also possible with the test "Logima Strictica 36", norm is IQ 196. A link to that test is on http://www.paulcooijmans.com/

07/13/01 - 11:40:09 GMT

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...damn, I'd hate you for being so damned smart... if you all didn't seem so cool. That picture of COOIJMANS was cute, DURGIN had so many interests I'd share and WOLF well, I love computers and RPG's. I'm just gonna assume IQ means nothing and hope, envy... stupid evil damn. Ah well, nothing much more I can do really. My dad'd like this site.

07/04/01 - 20:22:23 GMT

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Why don't you do a weekly brain teaser to generate interest in your web site?

06/20/01 - 04:04:30 GMT

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Wile E. here again, Super Genius. Have I mentioned my little Nemesis setback? Ahh, there it is in the guestbook notes. Listen fellas, I have seen the "numbers" test. This test is for children (okay, smart children). Consider. You claim to be 196, yes? I challenge you to prove youselves truly worthy. Prove yourselves honorable men!! Take the Nemesis! Or, are you shiverring craven cowards of the lowest caliber? Suck it up and take a REAL TEST. Yours, Wile E.

06/19/01 - 00:25:51 GMT

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Well....it seems ol' Wile E. has hit a snag. The Nemesis test, which I dashed off between birds, was graded rather, er, let's just say, unsatisfactorily. I attibute this to the Test Itself, the Grading--probably my overly brilliant responses not fitting in to some rather rigid and automatic scoring. Certainly not my IQ that is the issue, as I am a many times over proven Super Genius. Hmmmm....Could it be that the test is subsidized by ACME??

06/16/01 - 19:04:10 GMT

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Will check in now and then for insights

06/08/01 - 14:51:55 GMT

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Allow me to introduce myself, Wile E. Coyote, Genius...no...Super Genius!!! I just love the way that rolls out...I'll be applying for membership soon. You tests look quite simplistic, and it should only be a few days until I'm able to finish one, or perhaps even all!! I look forward to meeting you to discuss perhaps the future of the ACME Corp., and...oops...excuse me, I have to chase my lunch now. Yours, Wile E.

06/05/01 - 17:34:04 GMT

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Fascinating stuff, all of it. It is refreshing to be the monkey in the cage for a change. Thanks.

06/05/01 - 12:37:52 GMT

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Ah, a new guestbook - in the old one many useful things were written.

06/04/01 - 22:42:26 GMT

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Hi everybody! This is just a test entry for the guest book. Please ignore it!

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